Episode 5: A King of Wishful Thinking

In his search for someone, anyone to talk to about his complicated road to becoming a father, hopeful dad Kirk enlists Other Men to help document the solitary, but optimistic journey many men face in infertility spaces.

This episode is executive produced, hosted, and written by Mark Pagán and produced by Ben Goldberg and Navani Otero, with production help from Cierra Franco. Ben Goldberg, Caitlin Mae Burke, and Rebecca Seidel are lead producers. Navani Otero is producer. Shaneez Tyndall is associate producer. Rebecca Seidel is lead engineer. Ben Goldberg is lead editor. Our researchers are Bei Wang and Shaneez Tyndall. Tuck Woodstock is this season’s sensitivity listener.

Original music by Fulton Street Music Group with additional music from Blue Dot Sessions.

Episode illustration by Daniel de la Huerta.